Two deep thinkers discuss faith, fundamentalism, hope and humanity.
Distinguished New Zealand theologian and author Lloyd Geering faced a heresy trial in 1967 for daring to question fundamental teachings of the church.
American journalist Sarah Sentilles explores the histories of art, violence, war and human survival in her new book Draw Your Weapons – and explains why she decided not to become ordained as a priest in her 2011 book Breaking Up with God: A Love Story.
They speak with writer Kate De Goldi.
Images: Lloyd Geering © Bill Nichol, Sarah Sentilles © Gia Goorich